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Irish Air Corps / Re: Why, how and what jets the IAC should get.
« on: March 10, 2010, 07:00:52 pm »

I find it a little extraordinary that none of our regulars on here have yet seen fit to comment on what Ive written here. :airforce_rolleyes: I wonder why ? Or are yous just waiting to hear how I would propose to raise the 42,000,000 EUROS for the Jets ?

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Irish Air Corps / Re: Why, how and what jets the IAC should get.
« on: March 10, 2010, 10:46:43 am »

Cheers Dave,

Yes, I know we will need extra pilots, engineers and support etc but thats all good for the IAC and the country, more high tech jobs etc. Lets face it we dont have to fly all the jets all the time or anything. It couldnt be much more than an extra 2 or 3 Million a year could it ? Just scale back the PC-9 sorties a bit and even it all out. Im sure the IAC High Command could sort that out in their sleep.

Paul.

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Irish Air Corps / Why, how and what jets the IAC should get.
« on: March 10, 2010, 01:52:14 am »
So Here it is. After some delay, as youll see I have been researching. I intend initially to say WHY we should have jets and then WHAT we should have and HOW much they cost. When I see what your responses are I will then post HOW we can get them and afford them.

Why We Need Jets

First of all the PC-9s are fine planes and they are good to have as lead-in trainers. Keep them. However they arent jet interceptors. I will not insult everyones intelligence by telling you why we need jets although I am AMAZED that some on here think we dont. If you havnt worked it out by now you never will. Briefly there are at least 3 defence based scenarios why we need jets.

1. A hijacked airliner heading for the centre of Dublin, Knock, Baldonnell, wherever, on a suicide mission.
2. A possible Civil War scenario in the North, which can happen ANY time. Dont let the Peace Process fool you.
3. Attack by foregn forces, unlikely, but not impossible.

However one of the main reasons we need interceptors is NOTHING to do with defence. Its to do with holding our heads up and being taken seriously. I dont believe that any modern first world country with an air arm can call itself an air arm with no jets. Its a matter of NATIONAL PRIDE. Its a joke frankly. A bad joke at that. This is not to denigrate the IAC but rather our various governments who have presided over this situation and who have allowed this to happen for years. You can add a few more reasons to have jets if you want.

What Jets We Should Buy

So having established that we REQUIRE jets what next ? Of course the first cry is theres no money. Incredibly some of the people on this board actually swallow that. What UTTER rubbish ! Of course theres money and we CAN afford it,as I will prove in my next post. Yes, ok, we arnt going to be buying 25 Saab Gripens or 15 F-16s BUT, we can still get very good, up to date, interceptors at a very reasonable price. Two spring immediately to mind, the British BAE Hawk and the not dissimilar Aero Vochodny ALCA 159 from the Czechs.

I believe that both these aircraft were looked at as possible IAC replacements. As a matter of interest the South Koreans are selling 17 used Hawks for £41 million. Crazy stuff eh ? But it gets better. I say we get between 6 and 8 Czech ALCAs and heres why.

ALCA means Advanced Light Combat Aircraft. Heres what it can do. Nearly 600 mph at sea level. Full HUD and radar capacity. Can use Sidewinders, Mavericks or ANY other NATO ordinance. Basically its EXACTLY what we need. Now pin your ears back because what Im about to say is true.

The IAC can get 6 ALCA 159s to include Simulators. Spares. Technical Equipment. Full Pilot and Tech Training and some ordinace for the princely sum of ?

$58,000,000 Or thats
£37,000,000 Or thats
42,000,000 Euros.  ********

Sorta makes some other deals seem not so good eh ? Now a MERE 42,000,000 Euros spread over 10 years is just 4.2 million a year. Frankly if this State cant afford that we should shut up shop right now. Yes, we know it will cost a bit more than that with fuel etc and weapons but we already spend money on fuel and weapons so whats a few million extra ? Thats it. We can have jets. Get on with it. Now if people still think we cant afford that I actually have another idea for where to get the necessary 42 million. I will post that after I see some replies.

******** How do I know this ? Because Aero Vochodny just did this exact deal for the Bolivian Air Force. They might even throw in an extra plane if we send them some Guiness. Cheers.

PPS. People should wake up in Ireland. This is the ONE state in western Europe that actually DOES need jets. We live on the most politically and militarily UNSTABLE island / country in Europe outside of the Balkans. You need to look ahead at what MIGHT happen in the next 10 to 15 years, not what the situation is now. BTW the situation now isnt that good either, contrary to popular belief.

Over but not out !  :airforce_wink:

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Irish Air Corps / That Delayed Post About Jets
« on: February 27, 2010, 08:41:47 pm »

Ive been on holiday. I will post my jets thread this week.

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Aviation News / Re: USAF SAC De-Classified Videos
« on: February 14, 2010, 02:30:48 am »

Crazy times.

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Aviation News / Re: And if you look to your right you will see.....
« on: February 04, 2010, 10:29:59 pm »

Looks good but it will never happen. What price a seat / room ? If its only for the rich or super rich why would they spend 37 hours getting to New York when they can fly privately in total comfort in 6 ? Also, theres nothing to actually SEE in the Atlantic  :rotfl: also with a ceiling of only 12000 feet what about bad weather ? Lightning strikes ? I think this went out with the Hindenburg folks. It amazing how stupid smart people can be. :fryingpan:

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Irish Air Corps / Re: How Many Of Us Think The IAC Should Have Jets ?
« on: February 04, 2010, 06:47:38 pm »
Thanks for the links. However, I was hardly going to trawl through the entire history of the site for the last 5 years or whatever  now was I ? I will look at these though. I disagree that just cos times arnt so good this cant be done at all and I can prove it. Which I will, shortly. Expect a long post. Plus some awkward questions about IAC procurement and the governments role.

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Irish Air Corps / Re: How Many Of Us Think The IAC Should Have Jets ?
« on: February 03, 2010, 10:12:23 pm »
This might be obvious to you lot but Im new here so I dont know the full background of what everyone thinks. Its a legitimate question and one that needs answered. Also theres a reason for the question which will become apparent later, Ive been doing some research which should be of interest to all those interested in or involved in the IAC.

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Irish Air Corps / How Many Of Us Think The IAC Should Have Jets ?
« on: February 03, 2010, 05:25:28 am »
I just wondered how many of us think the IAC should have jets / interceptors. Im assuming that we will get a 100% vote in favour but lets just see. :airforce_cheesy:

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Air Corps News / Re: Irish Mail on Sunday 26-8-07
« on: January 23, 2010, 02:15:37 pm »

Theres a whole lot of reasons why we need an Army, Navy and Air Force in particular with ground attack and interceptor capability and not one of you has even considered the uncomfortable truth that some day all three will almost certainly be needed when the North falls apart. Uncomfortable but true. This is the one country in western europe that really does NEED a serious military capability and nowhere near enough is being spent on it. Jets are vital. Get them. I will be posting another thread on this shortly.

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Air Corps News / Re: AFM Jan 10 - PC-9 Crash
« on: January 22, 2010, 07:45:03 pm »

I dont know if you can do this Silver but could you post up a link to this story or even scan it ?

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Irish Air Corps / Re: Fouga Magister Irish Sighting
« on: January 22, 2010, 07:34:57 pm »

Mystery solved. I asked my dad and showed him a pic of an IAC PC9 and he said " thats it, thats the one we saw "... :fryingpan:

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Irish Air Corps / Re: Sell Govt Jet - buy transport aircraft
« on: January 15, 2010, 06:39:37 pm »

I totally agree.

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Aviation Waffle / Re: Brazil wants the Gripen
« on: January 08, 2010, 12:09:23 am »
Great plane the Gripen, Ive always liked it, looks great, performs well, has all round capability even from remote take off areas like roads. Why cant we have about 12 Gripens ? They would do us about 25 years ! The costs are as nothing spread out over that length of time. Youd think we were a third world country !  :airforce_cry:

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Irish Air Corps / Re: 2009...... what a year
« on: January 07, 2010, 08:16:27 am »

Thanks Guinness. I didnt know you were Dutch.  :airforce_smiley:

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