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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2007, 08:33:14 pm »
I belive that the last 2 are due Mid-Late 2008

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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2007, 10:13:33 pm »
Got some shots of 277 today in the Don,she looks great
it was a proud moment to see 4 139's and 2 135's all in splendid green!





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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2007, 10:16:45 pm »
The fourth was in the next hangar,so three in the one shot was the best i could do

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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2007, 10:22:16 pm »
last one!  'pilot_grin'

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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2007, 10:29:42 pm »
Last one i promise!

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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2007, 10:11:19 am »
great pics!bravo!cant wait to see these machines up close!must get a trip to the Don next month!
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2007, 10:45:29 am »
Nice pics, it will be nice to see some pics of them in flight

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« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2007, 04:25:39 pm »
Heres a shot of 277 on returning to the ramp last Friday (01/06/07). Didnt realise she'd arrived till I looked at the pic afterwards!!DOH!

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« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2007, 08:48:22 am »
Note the helemts and survivial kit/LPU combos worn every time they fly by Canadian helo crews.  Time for the IAC's AW-139 crowd to get the proper gear and wear it every time they fly.

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« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2007, 06:34:59 pm »
Old Redeye.

You seem to have a fixation with the crew wearing helmets and survival gear, what's so wrong with the crews wearing headsets?

They have the gear, scroll down this page for a picture: http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/showthread.php?t=8280&page=9, I'm sure they know the risks involved in flying and know when and when not a helmet is required?

I'm not having a go at you by the way, I'm not qualified enough for that, I'm just enquiring about your insistence on them wearing helmets. As I said above I'm sure the crews know when the gear is / isn't required.


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« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2007, 11:01:41 pm »
Helmet looks more fancy  'buttrock'
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2007, 08:14:49 am »
And more unconfotable for the pilots !!!!

I think every pilot rather wears a headset that a helmet.

You Irish aren't that ***** anyhow 'stir_the_pot'

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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2007, 10:04:15 am »
The Crews are'nt wearing the Helmets yet as they havnt got them. The one in the photo is only for dispaly at the moment. I think they have to wait for them to be approved for the 139 or something.
By the way, that photo looks identical to the one I took!! Hope someone was shooting over my shoulder and not nicking my images!!! ':angry:'

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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2007, 11:29:57 am »
Helmets are not for comfort, nor are they for deflecting small arms fire!! They are however very good at:

a. Keeping birds out of your face (feathered) when combined with integrated visors. Sunglasses will be pushed into your eyeballs by a head on hit and I dont see many people wearing clear sunglasses.

b. Keeping your brains intact in the event of a heavy landing or crash where the body will flail and potentially whack your head off something.

c. Keeping your head warm in the winter.

d. Wakening you up when you put on the helmet you left overnight in a cold aircraft!!

I have to agree with Old Redeye. These items are for safety in the event of an accident. While pilots may prefer the alleged comfort of a headset it will do nothing for them in a birdstrike or crash scenario. It is a bit hypocritical to demand the best in safety from the aircraft and then neglect your own personnel safety on the pretence of comfort. I am sure however that this is not the case here and No3 will have helmets in operation as soon as there are available.

With regard to the survival kits shown they may be overkill as they contain full LPUs and over overwater kit etc. However every member of the crew should be carrying some level of survival kit on every flight. 90% of survival situations happen within a mile of civilisation, not just in jungles and deserts. The kit is there, it just needs to be worn.
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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2007, 11:37:56 am »
Frank,

If I may add to Sousza's commentary - I don't mean to chunter on about this, but it is a question of attitude, outlook and professional commitment.  Professional military air arms - such as those of Canada, the US, UK, France, Germany, etc., do not accept the notion of 'admin flying'.  Every sortie is a military mission, with the possiblilty of engaging in militray activity - much different from corporate flying or offshore oil support (where they at least wear LPU's).  As I mentioned in a previous post, even a hop around the pattern could turn into a response to an emergency situation or other high risk military tasking - or just a hard autorotation or serious birdstrike.   The point?  Regard every flight as operational, including the use of proper kit.  

It goes with my other tiresome rant about the image of the IAC as a flying club rather than a professional military air arm.  I am not privy to No.3 Wing's flight schedule or training plan, but the IAC does give the impression of a 9-5 flying club that seems to spend an inordinate amount of time and resources preparing for and participating in air shows, flypasts and publicity events.  

Of course they are justifiably proud of their new equipment and tehy should show it off to the taxpayers, but the principal requirement underlying 139 procurement was support to Special Forces = day night infils and exfils, including hot LZ's and fire support in urban, rural, mountainous and maritime environments, which requires advanced skills and constant training.  Other requirments include tactical helicopter ops in support of land forces, casevac, VIP work, etc.   This means getting the FLIR systems and other gear fitted and training, training, training - particularly with NVG's - and implementing exchange training with EU counterparts in the UK, France, Germany, Finland, etc. in order to keep pace with modern doctrine and build up that all-important professional military outlook.