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Title: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Fouga23 on January 15, 2011, 05:58:56 pm
Just noticed something on this image:
http://www.irishairpics.com/photo/1005344/L/Fouga-CM170-Super-Magister/220/Irish-Air-Corps/?&sid=&sp=
What are the 2 small extensions at the tip of the tails? Never seen those before.
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Claudel Hopson on January 15, 2011, 08:07:41 pm
They are mass balances. They are fixed weights which help the pilot to move the control surfaces. Other aircraft of the era also have them, normally shaped like a tear drop and underneath the control surface, or on more modern aircraft like a small extension beyond the control surface leading edge

Or are you talking about the two static dischargers on the trailing edges?
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Fouga23 on January 15, 2011, 08:46:43 pm
The static dischargers. When were the IAC Fouga's modified  with that? Do they all have them? Anyone with a closeup picture?
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Machlooper on January 15, 2011, 11:52:40 pm
If it's the bits on the trailing edges you mean then yes, they are static dischargers. They are braided pieces  of wire frayed at the end which where simply screwed(or riveted, cant remember?) on via a solid bracket attached to the braid.
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Fouga23 on January 16, 2011, 08:55:24 am
So when did the IAC modify their Fouga's with this? And what was the reason?
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Tony Kearns on January 16, 2011, 08:39:18 pm
Hi Tim,
I am attaching a pic taken in the 1980's of the Swallows, I cannot make out anything on 220 at that time, there is somethimng on the port rudder of 217 though. Will have to check further.
Tony K
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Machlooper on January 16, 2011, 09:25:53 pm
Tony, if you look at the right(left as you look at it)  elevator/rudder of 220 you will see the two dischargers behind the counter balance!
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Fouga23 on January 16, 2011, 10:03:28 pm
Interesting picture, thanks! There indeed seems to be one on 220's tail. I really hope to find a good picture of them. This is one weird mod for a Fouga!
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Machlooper on January 21, 2011, 06:05:05 pm
Fouga23 your wish is my command,

Yes, they are on both sides!
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc315/machlooper/static-05txwebt.jpg)

L/H side:
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc315/machlooper/static-01web.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc315/machlooper/static-03web.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc315/machlooper/static-04web.jpg)

R/H side:
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc315/machlooper/static-06tweb.jpg)

CLose up top(L/H side inboard):
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc315/machlooper/static-02web.jpg)

Close up bottom (L/H side outboard):
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc315/machlooper/static-07web.jpg)

 :airforce_grin:

Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Claudel Hopson on January 21, 2011, 08:46:43 pm
Hi Lads. Machlooper we must have passed each other outside the hangar after taking the pictures. I wont put up my ruddervator pics but the static dischargers are also on each aileron, pics of which are below, port and starboard respectively
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Machlooper on January 21, 2011, 09:40:51 pm
I had to use the secret entrance  :airforce_wink:
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Fouga on January 21, 2011, 10:06:53 pm
Hi Tim,
I am attaching a pic taken in the 1980's of the Swallows, I cannot make out anything on 220 at that time, there is somethimng on the port rudder of 217 though. Will have to check further.
Tony K

That is a brilliant shot. Can I re-post it over on Boards.ie? Memories.. :-(
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Tony Kearns on January 22, 2011, 12:00:13 am
Fouga, It is an Air Corps picture and is copyright, OK?
Tony K
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Machlooper on January 22, 2011, 12:41:14 am
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Fouga, It is an Air Corps picture and is copyright, OK?

And I'll rat on ye to the lad who took it!!  :airforce_laugh:
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Fouga23 on January 22, 2011, 11:16:15 am
Wow! Thanks guys! Superb pictures! Don't suppose anyone knows why the IAC modified their Fouga's with these? Did they have problems with static electricity?
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Fouga on January 22, 2011, 04:24:34 pm
Fouga, It is an Air Corps picture and is copyright, OK?
Tony K


Damnit!! Excellent picture to whoever took it, absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Claudel Hopson on February 01, 2011, 02:31:50 pm
Most aircraft are fitted with static dischargers of some type to discharge static electricity built up during flight by an airframe. Saves someone getting a nasty shock after landing and also helps greatly reduce the risk of a spark when the aircraft is being re-fuelled. Here are the three types fitted to a PC9 for example. I havent included the different types of bonding straps used around the aircraft (too many!)
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Machlooper on February 01, 2011, 05:21:33 pm
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Damnit!! Excellent picture to whoever took it, absolutely brilliant.
I believe it was Cpl Deco Parke (Photo Section, now 105 Sqn) who shot that fantastic image!  :applause:
Himself and John Daly shot a lot of Fouga air to air back then.
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Tony Kearns on February 01, 2011, 07:50:39 pm
Yep Deco below and John above, ie Deco photographing John photographing Deco :applause:
Great pic.
Tony K
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Fouga23 on February 02, 2011, 11:44:50 pm
Most aircraft are fitted with static dischargers of some type to discharge static electricity built up during flight by an airframe. Saves someone getting a nasty shock after landing and also helps greatly reduce the risk of a spark when the aircraft is being re-fuelled. Here are the three types fitted to a PC9 for example. I havent included the different types of bonding straps used around the aircraft (too many!)
Thanks for the PC-9 pictures. I know about dischargers, but normally the Fouga doesn't have them. The Irish ones are the only one I have ever seen to be modified with them. Makes me wonder if the IAC had trouble with static electricity?
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: R.P.Y. on February 03, 2011, 11:36:54 pm
The Irish Fougas had a considerable avionic upgrade after delivery to the Air Corps. This upgrade was carried out by Aer Lingus at Dublin airport. I spent some weeks there 'observing' the upgrade being carried out. While I can't really remember for certain it's possible the static dischargers were fitted during this upgrade. ???
Title: Re: IAC Fouga tails
Post by: Claudel Hopson on February 08, 2011, 04:16:58 pm
Just spoke to a couple of the lads who were in Fighter Squadron when the Fouga's were delivered and worked on them till they were retired, and they said that they were delivered with the static dischargers fitted.